Trans People in Sports

[angela_g]

Are you an athlete who is transgender? Or are you a fan of trans athletes? Here is a forum for discussion of trans people who compete.

[This Wreckage]

I don’t think it’s as simple as you – and World Athletics – make it out. There are many factors which influence humans’ physical abilities besides their biological sex (which itself is difficult to define accurately). For example, height. Should taller runners with longer legs be permitted to compete against shorter runners? If that is permissible, why not trans women against cis women? If there is a question of safety such as in boxing (which is inherently risky anyway), then use existing weight categories.

Competitive sports are deeply unfair by their natures, and many of the existing inequities are not challenged, indeed are vigorously promoted, by the bourgeois anti-trans lobby which claims to only want fairness. Children of wealthier parents gain substantial advantages in sport as in pretty much every area of life:

“Senior judges, politicians and diplomats are traditionally roles belonging to privately educated ‘elites’. But the chances of carving out a successful sporting career are more likely in some sports for those who went to an independent school too, a new report says.

Cricket is one of the top 10 professions for independent school attendance, behind the likes of Cabinet members, military top brass and those sitting in the House of Lords – 43% of men and 35% of women playing international cricket for England went to private school. Some 37% of male British rugby union internationals attended fee-paying schools, and about one in three Olympic medallists. Across the wider population some 7% of people are privately educated.

The head teachers’ leader Geoff Barton said: “State schools work tirelessly to make social justice a reality but the dice are loaded against them in a society where both privilege and disadvantage are perpetuated from one generation to the next.””

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-48745333

[This Wreckage]

Is that a reply to my arguments or an advertisement? Use your words.

[cindymartin]

No need for a long reply or memes because you have destroyed your own argument in the first paragraph:

“Should taller runners with longer legs be permitted to compete against shorter runners? If that is permissible, why not trans women against cis women?”

In other words, you agree that trans women HAVE THE ADVANTAGE over born women.

[This Wreckage]

Perhaps you might think a little deeper on this. Clearly, some trans women have a physical advantage over some cis women. Who would even try to argue otherwise? But that is not the case for all trans and cis women, or even the majority; the solution when safety is at stake is to place cis and trans women in the competitive categories appropriate to their physiques. The fact that all basketball teams are composed of tall people shows how we happily accept inequities that you aren’t protesting.

You haven’t even addressed the core of my argument, that there are other larger inequalities in competitive sports that the trans-hate lobby refuses to consider. If you were committed to rooting out systemic injustice, you would be a socialist. Young athletes, as I have already written, are more likely to succeed when they have the enormous benefits of wealth: private schooling, families with the resources to buy kit and transport them to training and events. That injustice is vastly more widespread, deeply-rooted and effective in elevating children of wealth than the supposed (and largely illusory) inequities caused by the tiny number of transgender athletes.

“There is little, if any, evidence, however, that trans girl and woman athletes are a problem in need of a solution. When it contacted two dozen lawmakers sponsoring school sporting ban legislation to name examples of transgender athletes competing on girls’ teams, the Associated Press found “only a few times it’s been an issue among the hundreds of thousands of American teenagers who play high school sports.” And the National Collegiate Athletic Association, the International Olympic Committee, and other amateur and professional sports leagues have long had policies that allow trans athletes to compete according to their gender identity.”

https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/22423132/anti-transgender-bills-women-sports-fairness?

• This reply was modified 1 year ago by This Wreckage. Reason: Increased clarity of meaning

[shawn]

I honestly have no idea how it’s even possible to be this stupid. And btw, most great NBA players were poor kids growing up who spent all their time playing basketball, not pretending to be girls to get an unfair advantage.

[Irene]

I am a crossdresser and have followed Trans athletes since the time of Renee Richards. Following her story over the years has helped me understand who I am. Something inside of me could never say that Trans women cannot compete in female sporting events. After all Trans women are women. Unfortunately, many people just don’t understand what it is to be transgendered.

[This Wreckage]

Rather than use insults, it would be helpful if you could develop an argument with reason and evidence. Then I’ll know what you think about transgender athletes rather than what you think about me.

Regarding basketball, my point is that you accept with questioning the evident unfairness of taller people – of any gender – succeeding in that sport over shorter people. This is far more prevalent than any possible unfairness of trans women competing against cis women. Why, then, does that not bother you? Nor did you reply to my argument about the even greater unfairness created by the capitalist system which pits poor children against those from wealthy families as if they are on a level playing field.

[Irene]

I understand your analogy. Thanks for standing up for trans women in competitive sports.

[shawn]

The NBA is mostly comprised of poor black kids who spent all their time practicing basketball, so that argument doesn’t even work. And no, being taller than someone is not the same thing as putting on a wig and pretending to be female. This mental illness should not be supported at all.

[This Wreckage]

“The NBA is mostly comprised of poor black kids” needs evidence to support your claim. Without it, why would anyone believe you? Once again, you haven’t even bothered trying to answer my arguments. Basketball teams are all taller people, which clearly discriminates against shorter people. This doesn’t bother you or any other trans-hater, even though it is vastly more prevalent than the tiny proportion of trans people in sports, as in wider society. It appears that you have a thing against trans people; gross inequality in society because of capitalism is fine for you.

As for your claim that being trans or non-binary is a mental illness, you will need evidence for this, which is, so far as I know, not the consensus in psychiatry. You merely express your hatred based on bigotry.

Given the complete lack of reasoned arguments and evidence in your comments, we can dismiss them. But, obviously, for you and the rest of the far right, it’s not about reason or evidence, concepts you despise. It’s all about power.

[shawn]

If you actually watched the NBA you would just know it. LeBron grew up without a dad and was just extremely gifted for basketball, along with almost every other All-Star in the league. You will never be convinced, so I’m not gonna say anymore. But the people who support this mental illness without actually suffering from it are the worst.

[Irene]

I just read that Megan Rapinoe of the US women’s World Cup Soccer team is all for Trans Women competing in the World Cup. Good for her. She has my support.

[francinemann]

Lets cut to the chase……leave the girls alone……leave the guys do their thing……..have a new event for trans sports. Leave the children out of all of it. Let the children grow up first.

Francine

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